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Author Topic: When does Blue Mountains canyoning get too cold?  (Read 2019 times)
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« on: February 26, 2008, 07:03:01 PM »

well topic is self explanatory really. was just wondering how late into autumn/winter it is both practical and safe to go canyoning, before the weather becomes too cold. As someone whos only recently started canoying, i was hoping those who`ve been doing this for longer can give a bit of feedback.

I guess a follow on question from this would be how many dry canyons are there which can be done in the winter time?

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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2008, 10:10:09 PM »

Well I'll venture my opinion lubes... for what it's worth.

First of all, to put it out there - my understanding/definition of a dry canyon is one on which a wetsuit is not required - ie. does not contain swims, or at least they are not expected!  Grin  The 'dry' canyons that I have done are, of course, not completely dry - wet feet are still common and the odd wade might be encountered.

Wet canyoning for me usually continues into March, occasionally April. I vividly remember the first time I canyoned at Newnes - Easter in April, 2004 (brrr!).  Cry  I guess you can build a sense for it, but basically each year I just take into account how warm the summer has been and the very recent weather.

Dry canyons?  Don't think I could put a number on it, but find yourself a copy of Rick Jamieson's Canyons Near Sydney - the index indicates the ones that the author has classified as dry.

Some of my 'dry' suggestions - Long Gully, Spiral, Heart Attack, Surefire (nearly), Penrose, Windows, Tiger Snake, Galah (nearly).

Aegist, when you read this mate - maybe in time a worthy page for the TDMSKP guidebook would be one that lists the dry or wet canyons separately?  Perhaps a canyon index page where you can sort by categories such as: region, grade, abseil (y/n), rock climb (y/n), dry/wet, length (eg. <1 day or >1 day). Just a thought.

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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2008, 05:22:38 AM »

I usually (wet) canyon right up to  early May, and start the first week in September. I wear a 5mm wetsuit over a sharkskin vest, and carry thermals, goretex and beanie in my drybag.  I'm trying to organise the equivalent of the Yanks Freezefest in July which will be a few days canyoning for the hardcore and/or depraved and will consist of 3 wet canyons and 2 dryish. I'm calling it Brass Monkey. Here's some freezefest photos
 
http://www.canyoneeringusa.com/rave/dan0712freeze/index.html
http://www.canyoneeringusa.com/rave/0701freeze/index.htm
http://www.canyoneeringusa.com/rave/0512freeze/index.htm
http://www.canyoneeringusa.com/rave/0412last/index.htm
http://www.canyoneeringusa.com/rave/0401north/index.htm
http://www.canyoneeringusa.com/rave/janram03/index.htm

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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2008, 05:36:34 PM »

I might just be crazy enough to join you for that...

Actually, I'm getting married early June and my best friend is coming over from switzerland and I want to get him into Whungee Wheengee in the short time he is here...reckon we could organise a time around that?
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2008, 10:57:20 PM »

Julz you're a freak, but it's admirable  Wink  and certainly keen!  Grin

Normal people like me switch to biking and hiking in winter, and the odd dry canyon.  Enjoy Brass Monkey.

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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2008, 11:38:49 PM »

cool thanks for the info folks.

and um, yeh...count me out of brass monkey thanks. Wink
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2008, 01:46:53 PM »

I wouldn't recommend Whungee Wheengee in June as it is a long day in the canyon with sustained immersions. Keep 'em short and sweet like Yileen, Empress or Fortress so as to not become a hypothermia patient.

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Actually, I'm getting married early June and my best friend is coming over from switzerland and I want to get him into Whungee Wheengee in the short time he is here...reckon we could organise a time around that?
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2008, 09:53:54 AM »

After this weekend Julz, we are so hitting up a canyon at the first sign of Snow...

I really want to do at least one canyon, where we walk in and out while it is snowing. Just on principle.
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2008, 11:51:47 AM »

Walking in and out when it's snowing? Hell, I want to do the canyon while it's snowing!
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2008, 11:58:36 AM »

Well that is sort of implied with the walking in and out in it. hard to make the snow stop just while we are in the canyon :p

However, I expect not much snow would reach down into the canyon. I'm probably wrong, but for some reason I expect the snow to be caught up on the surface, and only water to actually get down into the canyons (based on the very little volume of snow the mountains ever see)
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2008, 12:14:17 PM »

I think we'll be battling to actually do a canyon while it's snowing as I found from past years that it either starts snowing in the mountains on dusk, or starts in the wee hours and stops by mid morning. The RTA usually panics and closes the roads as soon as there's an inch on the road. So we'd need to watch forecasts and camp out the night before. Hey, I wonder if anyone's canyoned in crampons!!!

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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2008, 12:33:14 PM »

Yeah, I usually only hear about snow in the mountains on the nightly news the night after it happens... never actually seen the snow myself.
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