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« on: January 08, 2008, 09:24:02 PM »

I've repeated the OzCanyons post here (see next post) proposing a 2-day intensive canyoning course (thanks for the suggestion Shane!).
So we don't clog up OzCanyons please use this forum to ask questions about the proposed course or email us direct lucas@escalade.com.au or rdelaney@epacrisenviro.com.au
If we get 10 people we'll run it for $250/person. Richard and I will run it through the Australian School of Mountaineering (ASM) to get insurance cover etc.
A couple of people have expressed interest so far - we have ideas about the course structure and content but when we get the ten people we'll open up a discussion on what topics and techniques to include. We don't anticipate this being a wet course although we can discuss this if enough of the participants feel strongly about it - but we reckon we'll get through a lot more content on a dry cliff.
Proposed dates are 15 and 16 March 2008 in the upper Blue Mountains.
Any questions? or if you want to put your name down - post here or email me.
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Lucas
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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2008, 09:25:05 PM »

Hi OzCanyoners,

Richard and I have been watching this discussion on canyoning techniques with
interest
and we'd like to make a few suggestions.

Firstly, congratulations on the very proactive discussions on what are relevant
issues for
canyoners. It's good to see healthy and positive discussions - it can only lead
to an
increase in awareness of safe practices.

Secondly we would like to make a suggestion about staging a canyoning technique
workshop but before getting down to details (more on that at the end) we'd like
to make a
few points:

1. You are looking at a very wide range of possible techniques. We believe that
there are
many variables that will influence the final choice of a rig and descending
techniques.
There are many techniques that can be used. The choice isn't so much as what is
"THE"
best method - it is "what is the best method FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION". And
the
things that may influence this choice are (in no particular order):
a) how active are you?
b) are you leading a group of novices? or people with some experience?
c) are you leading a commercial trip? that will usually have a high proportion
of people
with no experience
d) what are the water and weather conditions like on the day?
e) what sort of canyon is it? and does it have special issues?

2. Clearly our local conditions, past practice/experience, skill level, anchor
type, water
levels etc will have a bearing on the best rig for a given canyoner on a given
day in a given
canyon. For example a person who is a professional guide will probably use
different
techniques with a group of paying novices compared with a group of intermediate
level
canyoner friends.

3. There are many variables and we believe that the focus of your decision about
technique should rest on evaluating your group, the canyon and the conditions.
To make
the best decision possible you'll need a good toolkit of possible techniques and
then
choose the best mix.

If there's enough interest we would be interested in developing a workshop
weekend
where we can look in detail at the various options for techniques and developing
the
evaluation skills to know when it's best to use the various techniques. We think
that we
can offer OzCanyoners a very relevant locally-based learning experience. A large
part of
the course would involve practicing, evaluating and troubleshooting the various
rig
options. If we can get a group of about 10 participants it would be cost
effective and very
thorough. We can run it in the upper Blue Mountains -probably this
summer/autumn.

Between us Richard and I have hundreds of days canyoning guiding (with thousands
of
client days), many years recreational canyoning, we teach canyoning guides (to
Cert IV),
instruct in vertical rescue and we are both qualified in swift water rescue.
We've also
documented and analysed in detail most Australian canyoning accidents. For a
full
canyoning CV on us please check this out http://www.escalade.com.au/ltrdcv.html

We also both believe, based on our teaching work here and on our extensive
international
travel in various adventure disciplines, that it would be a mistake to assume
that local
standards are less advanced than some places overseas. The discussions you've
initiated
on OzCanyons have shown that the local canyoning community is striving to
advance and
develop. We think that combined with our technical and practical experience we
can refine
these techniques and come up with the very best options suitable for local
conditions.

Initially, if there is interest perhaps the easiest way is to reply via
OzCanyons and then we
can set something up on the side. If there's anything you'd like to discuss
privately -
lucas@... or rdelaney@...

Lucas Trihey and Richard Delaney

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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2008, 12:25:28 AM »

OK, well I'll be there.

I'm interested in these contingency anchor settings, and how to set up single ropes to an accurate height etc
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2008, 05:40:17 PM »

Lucas,

A dry cliff face with good viewing opportunities would probably provide the best learning environment for initial demonstrations but you could consider putting them into practice on day 2 in a real canyon.

Just a thought.

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2008, 09:37:37 AM »

 Smiley G'day,

I am interested (even though I have been cyning since 1977 - Claustral with a mate on hawser-lay nylon and home-made brake-bars).

I would expect the course to cover:
- hazards (vertical, swiftwater, slip-trip-fall, weather);
- equipment (pers, party, vertical);
- anchors and rigging; and
- rescue (self, victim, assessment, vertical, water).

first aid and navigation should be kept seperate - 2 days isn't much time. Don't over-emphasise rope work to the detriment of the whole cyn experience. Most incidents are not on-rope.

Cheers,  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2008, 10:13:34 AM »

sorry everyone. we had a problem with original dates and have shifted it to March 8+9 instead. I've advised those who have booked in but there are still a couple of places left if anyone else is keen.
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2008, 10:18:46 AM »

gidday markW - it would be great to have you along. please note the new dates - if you can make those dates please email me lucas@escalade.com.au and I'll book you in. We will cover the points you listed. you are right about nav and first aid - we won't include those because we'll have our hands full covering the technical issues!
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2008, 11:08:48 AM »

just had an email from a participant asking about cost etc. I think it is in one of the above posts but I'll summarise it here:

Canyon Technique Workshop March 8+9
$250/person (including GST) gets you the two day workshop, course notes, use of ropes and rigging gear and lunch. BYO harness, helmet and any other personal gear.
The workshop will be run through the Australian School of Mountaineering to keep the paper trail legit (insurance etc). Content will be developed specially for OzCanyons members and will cover the techniques recently discussed. There will be theory followed by intensive practical sessions.
Once we get a finalised list of names we'll ask for a 50% deposit, the balance will be due on the day.
Cheers
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2008, 08:15:47 PM »

BTW, For any visitors to the forum who have no idea what 'OzCanyoners' are, it is a Yahoo email group - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OzCanyons/

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